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    July 13, 2013
    11:00 - 11:31am PDT  

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the obama administration declines to enforce a key part of its health care law and the gop see as new opening to delay the entire bill. will they succeed? plus, an oil train derailment wipes out a canadian town. does it bolster the case for the keystone pipeline? and former new york governor eliot spitzer takes a page from the anthony weiner playbook and jumps back into politics. voters seem inclined to give them bothing a second chance. but why? >> people who suggested that
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will's anything unusual about the delay of the deadline and implementation of a complex and comprehensive law are, you know, deliberately sticking their heads in the santd or willfully ignorant about past precedent. >> welcome to "the journal editorial report." that was white house press secretary jay carney wednesday defending the obama administration's decision not to enforce a key part of the affordable care act. some say that in defiance of the law. the administration claims it has the legal authority to delay the employer mandate until 2014 and insist it is rest of obama care is still on track. but gop leaders called on president obama this week to extend the same break to american families and delay the individual mandate as well. >> if it were up to the president to give american businesses an exemption from the health laws mandates or without giving the same break to individuals and families across the country? hell, no, it isn't.
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>> joining the panel this week, "wall street journal" lump mist and deputy editor brett stephens. editorial member joe rago and washington columnist, kim strausses. another charming aside from jay carney, about tom harkin who -- democrat and runs the dash. >> explain that. tom harkin. >> tom harkin who runs the senate health care committee, democrat, who wrote the employer mandate coming out and saying i don't think they have the authority to do this. this is probably illegal. >> he was attacking anybody who said they didn't have the authority to do it. i read the statute. doesn't look like they have the authority. says plainly it should start on december 31. it says it shall. black letter law. >> the problem with the affordable care act is that every piece of the bill is designed to solve allegedly problem created by another part of the bill. if you delay the employer mandate it has all kinds of
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consequences throughout the rest of the -- >> let's zero in on this verification. refusal to the -- enforce the verification. if you apply for it they will not check your income to see if you qualify until somehow later. they may get around to it. what are the implications of that? >> i think it will lead to a lot of fraud. they are just trying to get people to cram in here and even if they are not eligible for the cities. if you look at something like the earned income tax credit, about 21% to 25% of those payments are made to people who don't actually qualify for them legally if you are looking at the affordable care act that's $250 billion problem. >> if it is on that scale of -- >> if it was the same fraud. >> kim, so what's the motive here, political motive here for the administration to do this -- wave these verification rules? >> they want to get as many people in the system and hooked on these subsidies as they can. they think that's what's going
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to build support for the law. that combined with pushing off this employer mandate which was incredibly unpopular passed the next year's election, they are hoping again to get everybody in that they can while also pushing off some of the harder and more controversial aspects of this. >> really afraid in particular that young people who don't sometimes think they need insurance won't sign up for the exchanges that will administer the law because if -- if they don't sign up will won't be enough young healthy people to finance the older and sicker people and you could end up with the exchanges really not being affordable or collapsing. >> they should be worried about this. there are astonishing americans. there are one in four available for medicaid which is free health care and do not take the trouble to bother to enroll. okay. you have under the age of 30, people under the age of 30, one in three don't even take
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employer provided health care. they turn it down. because they don't think they need insurance. and so -- now you are talking about asking them to sign up for incredibly complicated system and that could cost them a great amount of money and how you do that, that's what has the administration worried. >> how do you think republicans should respond to this? they say next week they will hold the vote to give the administration the legal authority and they say it is illegal but make it legal to extend the employer -- delay the employer mandate. they will have to delay the individual mandate, too. >> yes. >> is that the right strategy? >> let's make a deal with the president and keep delays and delaying the various mandates as long as they can. hopefully pass the 2016 presidential election but should be negotiating for things like the medical device tax. that's -- mine, look, there is a view within the republican party that the worse the better.
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not in this one. will is power to the democratic argument the more people then role in exchange it is more popular the law is going to sxwk gain that kind of political -- >> you would like to see this extended out if it is -- as long as possible. delayed as long as sxos the more the delay less likely it takes -- >> republicans should be saying why should we talk about a one-year extension in the employer mandate? because that creates all kinds of uncertainties for business. let's delay it for five years to give the administration all the time it needs to make sure it has the architecture in place. >> alternative argument is, look, if you help obama care you actually -- give the administration the power to do what it wants to delay, then you are making it that much more likely that -- americans will respond and favor it. >> well, paul, you are right that there is a significant segment of the republican party who is opposed to any kind of fix but this is a fairly new position. if you remember very early in
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the -- in 2010, congress repealed something called the 1099 business recording requirements which were a huge burden on corporate america. and we have gotten rid of the class act which was an unaffordable entitlement designed to explode. >> for long-term insurance. >> the idea that we can't fix this, i think they should really be going for tangible improvements in the law. getting rid of the medical device acts, some of the insurance tax that's will just passed on to consumers, i think they can -- they can't repeal it but they can make -- >> by holding the vote they will pull democrats on the spot and force them to vote which is its own form of accountability. when we come back, muted response from environmentalists after an oil train derails. all but wiping out a canadian town. could the catastrophe boost chances for the keystone pipeline? w alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome.
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more than 20 people are dead and would dozen others are still missing after an oil training derailed 20 miles from the main border last weekend. destroying much of a canadian town. dumping thousands of gallons of crude into a nearby river. canadian officials are calling it an unprecedented environmental disaster. proponents of a keystone xl pipeline say the catastrophe is further proof that the project should move forward. we are back with brett stephens and kim straussel. mary o'grady also joins the panel. brett, what lesson do you take away from this train derailment? before we get to keystone, the lessons of the derailment itself. >> basic point is if you are going to move oil over many thousands of miles, there's going to be -- there are going to be environmental safety hazards. >> no matter how you do it. >> some safety hazards are greater than than others. this town, 20 miles from the
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main lo-- maine border, lac-megantic, a catastrophe. now, we are going to have an investigation looking at what kind of fail usuure led to it. there will be failures one kind or another that lead to these kind of spills. we had a 24-fold increase in last 4 1/2 years of the amount of oil that's being shipped by rail from places like alberta or north dakota to the coast and so naturally the number of environmental spills, oil spills, is rising. >> what about the argument that environmentalist was say you know what, we just shouldn't develop the tar sands, oil sands in canada because you are bogey to have -- if it is not going to be pipeline leaks, it is going to be rail car derailments for transporting the oil by ship. and that has its own problems. just don't develop that oil at
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all. too dangerous. >> actually, paul, i think what's unfortunate in the keystone case is that -- you and i and -- the keystone people were thinking that if only we could address these risks of leaks, this would satisfy the environmentalists. what you find out is that's really not their issue at all. and -- the -- director for the international program at the national resources defense council said last week that the question to the administration is not whether crude should be shipped by pipeline or rail. the question is whether we will deepen our reliance on dirty fuels of the past. >> any kind of oil is dirty. >> yeah. they want what you refer to as clean energy solutions of the future. and we know all about those solution. >> are pipelines safer than rail cars? >> yes. let's put it the table. there is no perfectly safe way to transport energy. there is month perfectly safe
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energy source to begin with. on -- >> windmills kill birds. tens of thousands. >> miles per hour gallon basis, pipelines are more than wise as safe. subject to half as many leaks as rails. >> you know, not only that but what is interesting is that the newer pipelines, for example, keystone, which is -- you know will be 20 years newer than, say -- the pipeline that had a big leak in michigan have amazing innovations in them where they can detect the tiniest kinds of leaks and shut off -- really quite good. and president obama talks about improving our infratrustructure. the older the pipeline the more the risk and that's actually what he's inviting by not allowing keystone. >> let's get in here on the politics. what do you think about this? >> the other issue here, though, is -- environmentalists tend to focus on environmental risk of these different way transporting
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oil. there is the human risk which is what we saw evidence in canada this week. the reality is that train tracks are designed to go through population centers. pipelines by contrast don't tend to be that. when you have leaks or spills, you are not putting humans at such huge risk as you are as when you are transporting masses amounts of combustible fuel through population centers. where people can die. >> is this going to have any influence, kim, on president obama's decision, do you think? >> i think we are beyond knowing what is influencing president obama's decision here. he gave this speech on climate a few weeks back and he seemed to lay out a new standard saying that, you know, keystone added to the climate change, fuzzy standard because of the way you can measure things like that, and interest didn't really give any further indication of which way he's going. he seems to be put thing off as long as he can. >> i will admit i have been
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foolish optimist on keystone thinking. the best of the president thinking he would approve and it you folks have been more skeptical. >> not only that, kim knows this also, that the keystone pipeline is a huge fund-raiser for the president and for environmental groups. that, i think, will answer your question. >> environmentalists treat keystone as a kind of religious toto. we are having two separate conversations. she thub talking about what is the safest, most environmentally sound way to move crude because that crude will be moved. >> all right. when we come back, first it was anthony weiner. now eliot spitzer attempt his own political comeback. is there something in the new york water? do these politicians deserving a second chance. for the opportunities ahead? who can show them how to build on your success, but not rely on it. who can focus on making your legacy last
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a surprise announcement from former new york governor eliot spitzer who five years after resigning office amid a prostitution scandal said lee ask voters for forgiveness and seek the job of new york city comptroller. so far voters appear willing to give him a second chance with a brand new poll showing him leading his democratic challenger. hay is not the only democrat seeking redemption the big apple's september primary. anthony weiner, who resigned in 2011 after a sexting scandal is running for new york city mayor and emerged as serious contender. "wall street journal" editorial board member dorothy robinowitz joins with us more. >> these come because americans have long had this tendency to fall into fits of virtue. everybody gets a second chance. the most memorable thing that
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happened this week as anthony weiner in debate with a congressman, senior citizen center, and he was attacked and then the attacker said to the audience, of course he lied about the sexting, at which point all of these elderly people were about to choke him. they thought they would die. nothing long before mentioning his past would be called mccarthyism. >> am i -- inferring that you don't think that they deserve a second chance? >> well -- well, let's say dash i don't th interesting to watch this display. the point is it does tell so much more about the electorate to know they have been driven off into virtue and giving someone a second chance. it says a lot about narcissism.
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>> you know, the thing that bothers me the most about this is that it is not clear to me that any of them deserve redemption. the process, as we catholics know, is that there has to be contrition and will has to be an acceptance of what you did. you know, spitser er spitzer i never did anything wrong. >> never had anything against anything. he was all fine. >> right. we know he lied in the 1990s about his campaign financing. 2007, his staff went after joe bru bruno. >> republican opponent. leaked stuff. >> yeah. >> investigation. >> he denied that. with the wall street problem, i mean here, really went after the scalps of the powerful people on wall street. then he used the press to basically try them rather than doing it properly through the
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attorney general channels. >> when you were covering the new york, you had some personal experience dealing with mr. spitzer. what kind of a political personality do you think he is? >> well, he is a bit thugish. have you seen it in the people from john whitehead. you know, very respected -- >> former goldman sachs chairman. >> right. eliot spitzer said he was going to come after him and he would pay dearly for defending another businessman in the pages of our newspaper. i once spoke to mr. spitzer and he -- in essence called me not a very polite name myself. so i know this is how he operates. >> you use the phrase here. >> we are a family network. >> exactly. >> these politicians are very clever because had ask for forif i haveness which as dorothy said puts the burden on voters.
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what they ought to be saying, because it is what they are asking, is that trust me again. despite the fact i broke the law and i lied and i misused my power and abused everything, this time i won't do it. when you put it that way it is much harder to think they should be re-elected. >> is something particular here about new york that this -- these folks are coming to the fore here. >> oh, yes. i was watching those people gather here. and -- protect him, mr. weiner. they were like grand sxhoers gra mothers and grandfathers. transcendent passion and everybody is going to forgive these people. using this forgiveness as eliot spitzer is doing, have to talk about this. he doesn't have to talk about that very dark past. all he has to do is focus on i'm in the forgiveness business now. >> voters should be a lot less forgiving of our politicians.
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i am not a believer in second chances for politicians. we have to take one more break. hits and misses of the week. [ female announcer ] nature valley protein bars, with simple, real ingredients, like roasted peanuts, creamy peanut butter, and a rich dark-chocolate flavor,
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time now for hits and misses of the week. >> this is a great big miss to all those members of the media and all of the commentators. you know who you are who have been busy excusing edward snowden who let all of the secrets out. that he is a great man of conscience and served the fourth amendment. this is one of those measly white washes of which the libertarians fanatics are in our world busy advancing. it allowed mr. snowden who is a traitor and not the constitution but in order to attack the united states. >> thank you, dorothy. joe? >> one hit and two misses. first hit is to which is no
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longest the fattest country in the world according to a new report from the u.n. the misses to mexico which is now number one. the other hit is -- excuse me, other miss is to america which isn't -- whose health is not improving. it is just other countries are getting fatter faster than us. not a great place to be. >> that's because the food in mexico is better. this is -- this is a hit to pope francis who paid an unexpected visit to an island in the mediterrane mediterranean. many afrikaans died en route by a rickety boat. the pope gave a mass and talked about the globalization of indifference. a rich ask pregnant phrase that brings to mind indifference to refugees out of north korea. for example, what's going on in syria. good for the pope. >> thank you. remember, if you have your own hi or miss please send them to us.
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be sure to follow us on twitter. that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel. especially to all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot. hope to see you right here next week. i. 61 seconds devoted to how obama care is going to hurt small business. >> that's it? >> 61 seconds. >> in the entirety of 2012. >> the media taking hits for no hard hitting coverage of the obama care train wreck and the president's power play to delay a key mandate of the law. why isn't the press paying attention? >> the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent with someone doing this? >> wall-to-wall coverage of the zimmerman murder trial gives critics a chance to slam the media accusing some of tabloid antics and using the event to

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